Friday, August 1, 2008

From Malaysia today

Taken from Malaysiakini without permission) - While the physical examination of Mohd Saiful Bukhari Azlan appeared to be brief and not sodomy-related, it is nevertheless still relevant to the controversial case involving embattled opposition leader Anwar Ibrahim.

saiful bukhari azlan images 300608 03Saiful (left), who had accused Anwar of sodomising him, had gone to Pusrawi Hospital on June 28 complaining of pain in passing motion four hours before the 23-year-old lodged a police report against the PKR leader.

He said he had been experiencing pain for a week and had alleged that he was assaulted by a piece of plastic being forcibly inserted into his anus.

Pusrawi medical officer Dr Mohamed Osman Abdul Hamid, who had examined Saiful, said he found no signs of sodomy. His report was leaked to Malaysiakini and a number of Internet websites on Sunday.

Yesterday, Hospital Pusrawi authorities, while conceding that the leaked report looked "genuine", argued that Mohamed Osman's examination was not sodomy-related.

According to a medical expert, the police cannot ignore Dr Mohamed Osman's report especially if it conflicts with another medical examination done at the Hospital Kuala Lumpur (HKL) several hours later.

"Dr Mohamed Osman's observation showed no obvious physical evidence to support such a claim which could raise a reasonable doubt if the doctor in HKL observed the opposite...," said the doctor who has years of experience in handling rape and sodomy cases.

Hospital Pusrawi 280708.jpg"Dr Mohamed Osman is experienced enough and couldn't be wrong not to notice the obvious signs like bruises, tenderness, swellings, scratch marks, fissure and bleeding per rectal and so on," said the doctor who requested anonymity.

"To associate tenesmus with sodomy, the complaint has to come after the event, and there would be evidence of injury to the anal mucosa like fissure or scar should be seen (to cause the pain) and there may be also some traces of blood seen."

From the leaked document, the expert said Mohamed Osman did not do a complete medical examination of alleged victim, which was why he was not in the position to conclude with certainty that there was no sodomy.

"What Dr Mohammad Osman did is just a simple examination of a person who complaint of tenesmus and alleged assault, and from his examination he found no physical evidence to support the claim. That is why he wrote in his diagnosis ‘TRO (to rule out) assault (sodomise)'," she explained.

Almost impossible' to find traces of DNA

The expert said that Mohamed Osman had carried out a per rectal examination to look for obvious physical injury to the anus or rectum and he found no physical evidence to support Saiful's claim.

The Pusrawi doctor did not find any tearing or scarring of tissue in the anus, nor was there any blood seen.

"His observation on the mental state of Saiful at that point of time is also relevant - that he appeared not in distress and ‘comfortable'," she said.

According to the expert, Mohamed Osman had done the right thing in advising Saiful to go to a government hospital.

saiful bukhari azlan sodomy allegation anwar ibrahim medical report 300708"The court only accepts the medical examination from a government hospital which has more credibility especially if it is done by a specialist rather than the private practitioner. Other than physical examination, corroborative evidence like blood, seminal fluid, foreign materials, has to be taken as well."

But she said that since Saiful had alleged that he was sodomised two days before he was physically examined, it would be "almost impossible" to have any trace of material for DNA identification be available unless he used the same underwear that was not washed since the alleged event.

"There would be impossible also to find any recognisable material for DNA identification as well. Thus, asking for a fresh DNA sample is highly questionable because it is not a fresh sodomy/rape case where the evidence is still available."

Another medical expert told Malaysiakini that based on Mohamed Osman's medical report, Saiful had complained about being assaulted by a piece of plastic.

"There cannot be a charge of sodomy unless there is actual contact between the penis and anus. If an object was used, then the charge has to be assault," said the retired medical doctor who had carried out medical examination involving rape cases in a government hospital.

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written by oknyua, August 01, 2008 | 08:51:37
Alert: Yesterday, whole day difficult to log into MT even bookmarked my page.

Tried so many times from other sources, suddenly Virus Alert on my computer. Who is so STUPID and AFRAID of MT and tried to trick readers into "look alike" website and plant viruses?
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written by ROBERTNGTG, August 01, 2008 | 08:53:41
Experts: Saiful's first medical report relevant

WELL SHIT ALBAR'S JOB DESCRIPTION NOW IS ONLY ONE THING: BRING DSAI DOWN NO MATTER WHAT. FORGET ABT RISING CRIMES, CORRUPTION, MURDER, THEY ARE NOT IMPORTANT . FAILURE TO BRING DSAI DOWN IS NOT AN OPTION. NEXT WE WILL HEAR IS THE COPS WILL BE TRACKING DOWN THE POOR DOCTOR TO GET HIM TO ISSUE A SD THAT THE MED REPORT WAS WRONGLY TYPED, HE WAS ONLY CHECKING HIS NIPPLES, OR THE REPORT WAS MADE UNDER DURESS WHILE 15 UTK BLOKES WITH AUTOMATIC WEAPONS WILL BE POINTING AT HIS HEAD.
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written by cwy, August 01, 2008 | 08:56:41
The hospital authority has claimed absurdly that Saiful's complaint is stomach problem when the doctor has indeed checked his ass-hole!
The doctor must have a problem himself to look at ass-hole when a patient complains about stomach problem.
Even now, the sodomy report on Saiful done by Dr. Mohd Osman is relevant, the police, under the direction of home miniater will find ways to pin down Anwar!
Corrupt BN government!
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written by loosecannon, August 01, 2008 | 08:57:22
No one in his right mind would doubt the good doctor. The question now is what happened during the period when he had his first medical examination to the second one. Did he sat on a police truncheon or something?
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written by sjs, August 01, 2008 | 08:58:50
The court only accepts medical examination from a government hospital. The time has come to ascertain the credibility of government hospitals in Malaysia. If they too follow the path taken by MSM, politics, judiciary and police force, then the entire processes in Malaysia need to be over-hauled. The course of this nation can only be altered by two daring and bold men amongst you. Mr Anwar and RPK have spoken up boldly without fear. They fear no arrests and intimidations from any quarters in Malaysia. The people must rally behind them, at this time of change in the nation's history!
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written by ROBERTNGTG, August 01, 2008 | 08:58:54
Yesterday, Hospital Pusrawi authorities, while conceding that the leaked report looked "genuine", argued that Mohamed Osman's examination was not sodomy-related.

THE MEDICAL REPORT LOOKS GENUINE, SOUNDS GENUINE BUT IT IS NOT THEIRS. FAMILIAR LINE???? SO GO AHEAD AND CHARGE DSAI AS PLANNED.
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written by miwaki, August 01, 2008 | 09:01:00
Even a veterinary surgeon is qualified to examine Saiful's rectum,don't tell me his rectum is any differece from monkey !
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written by ahmadneil, August 01, 2008 | 09:02:52
When incident like this call for so many questions with no answers then it should be chuck out of the window.It's stupid to look ,read and hear all this RUBBISH.
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written by Ken Liew, August 01, 2008 | 09:05:47
ya, ya, deny is usual...... UNMOral deny anything that go against them. And grab any glory that were not theirs to make.

Just like Michelle Yeoh, She was nobody to Malaysia, when she 1st started filming, BUT when she got famous, only Malaysia recognize her. Dam i didnt even know she was a Malaysian, while watching her action. How many of us really know from the begaining??
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written by A MI, August 01, 2008 | 09:12:59
This is from Susan Loone's blog

chew for justice

As a person with some medical knowledge, I’d like to offer some points on the leaked first medical notes as follows:
1) Although the examination was not done by a colorectal specialist and not in a complete and thorough manner as one would argue, the general physical findings as documented including those findings on the anal region are relevant and significant as they stand to give account of the general condition of the accuser and his anus /back passage.

2) Although an act of sodomy can not be totally ruled out in the past , a recent such act by force in the last one week or so is highly unlikely., based on the findings as documented.

3) Because the duration of time between the first and the second medical examination on the accuser (in GHKL) was short , less than 24 hours, there should be no significant difference at least in the general physical findings on the anal region between the two reports, assuming that it was ‘uneventful’ for the accuser in that short period of time.

In view of the points above, we need the details of incident as alleged in the police report and the findings of the second medical examination to help the public to conclude if there is an evil conspiracy against Datuk AI.
Of course, for the more well-informed and critical , the motive for such conspiracy is obvious and the modus-operandi is all too familiar.
http://rights2write.wordpress.com/2008/07/31/pusrawi-press-conference-a-bigger-blunder/#comment-1039
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written by NSTPravda, August 01, 2008 | 09:15:33
Experts: Saiful's first medical report relevant
Who are these experts to question Saiful’s ailment?
Are these the best experts that money can buy?
If not are they expert enough to know when to close an eye?

We don’t need reports to make our charges stick
As we are the true experts in this sodomy trick
When we said the Saiful has a pain in his arse
Real UMNO doctors will give our opinion the pass

Now that we have got rid of some with C4
We have also chased silly witnesses off our shores
We now will crush this renegade called Anwar
We will wiped him off the nation’s political radar

We will use our powerful UMNO juggernaut
To do whatever needs to be done to advance our plot
Remember, the Force is definitely with us ineveryway
We will use it to pound in our truth until semua-nya OK!!!


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written by Baronshah, August 01, 2008 | 09:18:29
It dosen't matter what anyone says. Dr. Mohd Osman IS a qualified and registered MD practicing in Malaysia and whose qualifications recognized by the GOVT. Now, why can't the GOVT accept this Doctor's initial report/findings. I find this is very perplexing as you WOULD only DO this IF YOU HAVE ULTERIOR MOTIVES.

regards
GOD bless all.
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written by ganbing, August 01, 2008 | 09:22:01
No need to swear on the Koran, Shitfool. I would be more impressed if you agree to an independent medical examination to prove you've been sodomized, that your private hole is no longer virgin.

You think you can impress us by swearing on the Koran? Go to the prison and ask who wants to swear their innocence for freedom. I assure you 99% of rapists, murderers and robbers will happily do it. What does it prove, Shitfool? That we're so easily fooled by your false religiosity? Fuck off!
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written by chezzter, August 01, 2008 | 09:35:26
Would the first medical report be disputed if contents are positive to their case? A favorable report to the accusers even if written by unqualified doctor,can result in the unqualified doctor becoming specialist overnight.

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written by KARMANNGHIA, August 01, 2008 | 09:37:15
Liar, Liar, pants on fire!



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written by zanie, August 01, 2008 | 09:50:56
"There cannot be a charge of sodomy unless there is actual contact between the penis and anus. If an object was used, then the charge has to be assault," said the retired medical doctor who had carried out medical examination involving rape cases in a government hospital.

I mean this Saiful is stupid or what? He's 23 and 6 feet tall! How can he let someone of triple his age with a backache thrusted his asshole with a piece of plastic?! I couldn't find any logic in this on behalf of the doer. How can this bring pleasure to the assailant? Weird ha? But again,.. this is Malaysia man! smilies/grin.gif
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written by apiapi, August 01, 2008 | 09:57:45
Medical Report :

Doctor : Looks like genuin

Lingam : Looks like me, Sound like me, It is not me.?! smilies/grin.gif smilies/grin.gif smilies/wink.gif smilies/wink.gif

Sounds the same.
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written by utuhganal, August 01, 2008 | 10:17:00
Don't worry Mr Shyfool...If you can delay or better still prevent DSAI from becoming the next PM, you will be amply rewarded by those who aspire to succeed DSAB. Those aspirants can easily make you CEO of companies that can supply substandard materials to the armed forces or better still can make you the next AP KING. Remember DSAI's former driver who is now sitting comfortably in his office as payback for 'services' rendered to those who have once stmpede the corridors of power. Peduli apa dengan balasan diakhirat kerana mengaibkan orang lain...lagi banyak dosa lagi panjang umur kan3!!!
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written by SotPlug, August 01, 2008 | 10:29:03
Don't give up Saiful.
There's still time and so there's still hope.
Go ask 'someone' to put C4 in your butt.
I'm sure any doctors will find blood and tenderness after that.
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written by khongja, August 01, 2008 | 10:32:11
A medical report is a legal document and there is no two way about it.
That report was the first and it tells the truth.Perhaps the Police never knew about the report at all until this was full blown! And they were relying on the GH 's one.Anybody can tell you ,things can be done for a song in government hospital!Look at the mc ' for sale sometime back if we recall years back.
Can we really believe the government version?
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written by YSL, August 01, 2008 | 10:43:04
Saitan Saiful is not human guys! he is the by-product of Najis from Najis Bhd, the largest shit collecting, processing, manufacturing Company in the world and the galaxies surrounding us!

The Owner of the Company is also called Mr. Najis!
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written by bumiputeri, August 01, 2008 | 11:01:12
WAIT A MINUTE!!!

So, this SIALFOOL actually complaint about ASSAULT and not SODOMY????

Hey, all the way through we have been made believe that this is a SODOMY case???

The PDRM< SHIT HAMID< BODOHWI< KHAIRY< MUKHRIZ (yang sebuk minta DSAI bagi DNA) AG, IGP......hoiiiii!!!! Engkau orang semua sengaja fabricated a case, dont you idiots know the difference between SODOMY and ASSAULT???

What a damage has been done on DSAI......for no reason OMG!!!!!

DSAI, I think you are liable to sue them millions and billions of ringgits for .................. ahhhh cant think of the charge...help from lawyers.....?

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written by Ahjamal, August 01, 2008 | 11:32:34
Saiful now needs a direct instruction from the VVIP to swear by the Quran.
It is a joke that he needs a time and date to swear by the Quran. Just my guess
when the polis statts to address he will also start to swear by the Quran.
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written by EDLYK, August 01, 2008 | 11:41:48
Give me RM5 million to swear that I screw by Anwar, I will swear lah. Give GH Doctor RM5 million to says my hole contain Anwar DNA, I am sure GH Doctor willing to do and I can says lots of them.
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written by Thamipoh, August 01, 2008 | 11:46:44
There is no need for a specialist doctor to examine Saifull ass. All we need is an honest and trustworthy one. How much was there to see in that small hole. The specialist may see $$ sign in there, where the honest doctor tells the truth and that is exactly what we want.
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written by Highway16, August 01, 2008 | 12:19:45
Aiya, very simple one.
Saiful went to a private hospital, sjhowed his ass to a doktor and doktor said your ass looked ok, so no case lah.
Then he went to report to you know who lah, and the you know who was so pissed off with Saiful that he fucked Saiful himself. "Now, Saiful" he said, "go to the right hospital this time". That's why it took 4 hours for the second checkup. During the 4 hours, alot of things can happen. All they need now is DNA from Annuar to kow tim a charge.
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written by Highway16, August 01, 2008 | 12:21:21
BTW, he looks very Gay!
Been used a lot, not worth much now.
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